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[livejournal.com profile] cpr94 sent me this link: http://bit.ly/cG6L7W which discusses the series finale of LOST and I wrote a lengthy response which I'll post here. (Craig hasn't actually seen most of LOST so I tried to keep that in mind when writing my response. Nonetheless: big spoilers ahead.)

OK. I'm not going to say that someone's wrong for not liking the finale, because it was based around a kind of crazy conceit which would not be to everyone's liking, and a lot of stuff was left unanswered or unexplained (but see below). And there are ways around some of the problems which may or may not be appealing to everyone. But here are some comments.

I guess you've probably gathered this, but the final season was basically split between two 'worlds' -- one where the main characters are on the island trying to achieve various conflicting things (wanting to get off of the island; wanting to defeat what had become the series's main bad guy, a smoke monster who had assumed the form of John Locke; wanting to find other characters on the island and rescue them; wanting to save the island and possibly the world from destruction) and another world where the island had sunk, the plain crash in season one seemed to have never happened, and the main characters' lives were different in significant ways.

In the season finale, the events on the island reach their climax (the smoke monster is killed, the island is almost destroyed, some of the characters die while others manage to escape the island and a few stay on to take care of it) and the events in the other world turn out to have happened far, far in the future in an afterlife where the characters had to work some things out before going on to their final (unspecified) destination. Over the course of the season some of the characters wake up to what's going on and try to bring other characters to a similar revelation, and at the end they gather in a church where they are led to wherever it is they're going. I think it's also said that they all go together because the most important parts of their lives were together on the island.

(Oh, except I should say that there are other legitimate interpretations of the finale -- a lot of people initially thought that it was implied that everything after the first minute or so of season one was a hallucination in the mind of a dying man, for instance, although I think mostly people have backed off of that idea.)

One thing that is not explicit in the series but which I think makes sense is that this 'alternative world' doesn't start at the precise time we first see it at the beginning of the season. For some characters it may have started much earlier, if that is what they needed. The time in that world at the beginning of the season is significant because it's when the characters start to move towards each other and towards recovering their memories of the original timeline.

Levy thinks that Locke (who almost committed suicide last season, only to be murdered instead by Ben Linus minutes later) should not have been happy to recover his memories. But this overlooks two things: (1) In his own little purgatory he's worked out many of the issues that were causing him problems in the original timeline, as Levy notes, and the whole purpose of that was to prepare him for this moment and (2) one of the things that he learned when he regained the knowledge of the other world is that he was fundamentally right in his beliefs and that his actions did in fact bring about the salvation of the island. (This was a particularly effective moment for me, because it hadn't yet been revealed what the other world was and I wasn't 100% sure that that world's Locke wasn't also the smoke monster, so seeing him recover his memories was particularly unexpected.)

Levy is also unhappy with how Jack relates to his (real) father and (fake) son. In most of the series Jack's father is portrayed as an alcoholic, a miserable human being and a terrible father, so their immediate reconciliation at the end of the show doesn't initially ring true. But there's some backstory here -- before Jack's father died (in real life), he had given up drinking and was trying to reconcile with Jack. Jack rejects his overtures and his father fled to Australia, started drinking again, and ultimately died.

In the other world, Jack and his son are similarly estranged at the beginning of the season, and at one point in the season Jack apologizes to his son, promises to do better, and the son accepts his apology and from there through the rest of the season they are much closer. This models Jack's final reconciliation with his father. Again, the purpose of the stuff that happened in the other world is to prepare the characters for the point at which they regain their knowledge and prepare to move on to whatever the next step is.

(Incidentally, one of the reviews Levy links to is unhappy that Ben gets to apologize to Locke for killing him -- in the real world you don't get do-overs, the reviewer says. And that's true but I think it's also significant that in the end Ben decides he's not ready to go on to the next stage and has more left to do in the world the others are leaving behind. He and the Widmores seem to be the only characters who know that they're in a constructed world but choose to stay there, although there are other 'real' characters who are also in the world but haven't yet received their personal revelations.)

(Also when Ben said he was staying behind and all the other characters went into the church I had a moment of thinking of how funny and wrong it would be if shortly after everyone went in the church it blew up spectacularly. Wouldn't put it past that guy!)

I think the island part of the final season did provide more answers than many folks give it credit for, although I agree that there's still a lot of stuff (including the whole Ben/Widmore backstory that Levy refers to) that's unexplained or underexplained. And it's frustrating that a lot of the final season was taken up introducing new backstory and mysteries rather than explaining things that people were wondering about. In retrospect you kind of have to wonder whether all the stuff at the temple -- a location full of people that was introduced and then destroyed -- was worth the episodes spent on it, for instance.

The 'other world' stuff wasn't about explaining anything, it was about providing character resolutions and making you cry.

Date: 2010-05-28 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cgoldfish.livejournal.com
regarding ben getting to apologize to locke - newsflash levy - this isn't the real fucking world. never was. the second there was a pissed off giraffe in the jungle = not the real world.

the temple - for me it existed to make zombie sayid. and then have zombie sayid sacrifice himself, thereby redeeming him. assbackwards, but who cares? it's fucking LOST.

i also think ben stuck around to spend more time with Alex. he and danielle were gettin' a little chummy, and that means he gets to not only "apologize" to danielle for stealing her kid, he gets to hang with his kid. who, you know, he basically killed.

widmore? who cares. not knowing what was up with walt and his magical brain powers? who cares. sure, i thought i'd care, but in the end i didn't. i think they abandoned all walt storylines because they totally forgot that kids age a whole lot quicker than adults do and they weren't ready for his voice to change while he was invading people's minds.

i didn't really see it as purgatory, and i didn't really think of them as going to heaven. they created a place where they could all get together again, and then. . . who knows. maybe they all got to chill out on the island and be the whispers.

also also, who wouldn't want to see the Ben and Hurley Island Comedy Hour? it would be the best sitcom *ever*. watching the two of them traipse across the island, bringing people to visit just to keep them away from a shiny cave. FUN!

Date: 2010-05-28 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cgoldfish.livejournal.com
all he does is drink tea and get his lunchables stolen. BORING.

Date: 2010-05-28 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] junquegrrl.livejournal.com
maybe Ben should take over the glee club?

Date: 2010-05-28 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urbeatle.livejournal.com
The way I explained Walt and his magic branes in another forum was that he's part of the ambiance of the series (O look! This kid has magical powers!) I never saw his magical powers as basically a promise that he was going to have an important role in the series. A lot of the other "mysteries", like the numbers, fall into the same category for me. We don't *need* an explanation of what the numbers mean (even though there's an official semi-explanation in the web content.) It's just weird stuff to establish the weirdness of these people's lives.

The Sidewaysverse is sort of Purgatory-ish, but not a place of punishment. More like a cross between Purgatory and The Ghost Whisperer; it feels more like the latter, but it's not ghosts in the real world, it's spirits in a shared hallucination.

Date: 2010-05-28 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cgoldfish.livejournal.com
weren't the numbers the candidate's numbers on the cave wall?

i think a lot of things were "explained" by electromagnetism. can't have kids? electromagnetism! polar bears? electromagnetism! can suddenly walk? motherfucking electromagnetism.

Date: 2010-05-28 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urbeatle.livejournal.com
Near as I could tell, the numbers from 1 through 360 were on the cave wall and the lighthouse wheel. So, it doesn't really explain the numbers, nor does it explain why they were appearing before Jacob had crossed off all but six numbers.

Heck, Charlie's 195, Claire is 313, Ben is 17, and Rousseau is 20. Why weren't those numbers significant?


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